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Anne, your right about one thing! We have an extraordinary tax system and yes, it needs to be simple.

However, I feel sick to the stomach that the tax payers alliance even exists!

Simply because you must believe that there are taxpayers and non taxpayers?

Well I have news for you, everyone is a taxpayer Anne!

Do you not get it Anne? Non workers who receive benefits SPEND their money and that not only triggers taxes like Vat and Duty but directly contribute to the revenue and profits of those businesses that employ people who in turn earn from their SPENDING so they too can SPEND and trigger taxes.

And another shock to your belief Anne, is that income taxes aren’t actually paid by employees! Their taxes are paid for by the SPENDING of their employers! When employers take money off of all of us, benefit recipients too, that business makes help the decision to take on the employment of workers.

Those workers may be liable for their tax and the amount is calculated on their wages. Heck the title even includes ‘income’. But in fact it’s the business that pays the tax as a direct consequence of employment.

So it’s the business that pays PAYE not the worker. Their pay slip is in my view similar to a Bernie Madoff statement. Giving a false narrative. A false impression. And it’s that falseness that makes your taxpayers alliance see red!

But, in fact what you see isn’t the case at all. There aren’t taxpayers and non taxpayers. There are just taxpayers! We all pay taxes Anne. The same taxes. Vat and duty.

Income tax and Nic are paid by business that tells on all spending to survive, even from non workers. Pensioners, disabled, infirm, and the poor, the unemployed and let’s face it the unemployable! They all contribute to the success or otherwise of the very businesses that pay income taxes and Nic. Employers pay. Not employees. Those taxes are triggered by the business deciding to employ. And the money paid comes from the patrons, consumers and customers of those businesses.

And another titbit for you Anne. All taxes are triggered by SPENDING. Or money changing hands or having to change hands like Council tax or windfall taxes.

Every tax is triggered by the or the requirement of SPENDING.

So you would think then that, the problems arise from those who DONT SPEND wouldn’t you? Snd you’d be correct Anne.

It’s not the taxpayers or non taxpayers. It’s not workers or non workers oh no. It’s the SPENDERS and NON SPENDERS that you should be up in arms about Anne.

It’s the ones who font spend all their incomes that fail us. Not SPENDING triggers no taxes. Not SPENDING contributes nothing to commerce. And UNSPENT money isn’t taxed at all!

So Anne in my view, you should rethink your alliances.

Take a homeless tramp. Comatose on a village bench intoxicated from downing a bottle of whisky having begged for the money to do so. He hasn’t had any benefits paid to him. Yet Ford must if his life he worked and contributed to society. He fends for himself. ….. yet, he had just paid 73% in vat and duty on that hottie if whisky. Plus he had contributed 100% of his income to the cause. Giving profit and revenue to the shop keeper the haulier snd the distillery. Contributing revenue ultimately destined to pay the taxes of others.

So please stop lecturing on a false assumption.

Instead I would turn your guns towards those eh Gail to contribute by NOT SPENDING 100% of their income. Those who are paid well but decide not to return money to the cause. Instead give their money to banks to leverage at vast profit. To so called ‘invest’ others money into debt and interest for their own profit. In effect withholding money from us. And filling our economy with debt ridden money instead of allowing money to circulate time and time again to contribute to the cause.

Our government should be producing that leveraged money freely! Not handing the banks with the job.

We need more money in our pot not debt ridden money. We shouldn’t have leveraged money. We just need sufficient money in our economy to begin with.

Then we need it revolving through our hands freely and fairly in exchange of work. And exchange is the key word. If money isn’t fully exchanged then the rest become devoid of it. The banks contribute to this position. They aren’t the answer they are part of the problem.

If all money were to be rotated constantly unfettered then we would only need one tax. Vat.

The tsunami of money turnover from free flowing SPENDING would be sufficient to give out government a surplus instead of deficits.

We allow money to be kept. That makes us underfunded and underpaid. Do we are forced then to borrow money that we are short of. And guess what? We borrow it from the very individuals and banks who withhold it in the first place!

That’s what you should be up in arms about Anne. Not the disabled or the pensioners.

Be mad at those who withhold money from flowing. They are to blame.

Start be reintroducing exchange controls. Swap all Money to a digital only currency.

Then put a spend by date on all money. Spend or have it taken by exchequer.

Make all money move. To get the optimum economy with optimum tax take.

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